Church Rock is an interesting geological landmark in southeastern Utah located somewhat north of the town of Monticello. Sitting in the middle of an expansive valley surrounded by eroding sandstone bluffs and canyons and against the backdrop of the La Sal Mountains, Church Rock rises 200 feet and marks the turnoff to the Needles District of Canyonlands National Park west of here.
The La Sal Mountains rise to over 12,000 feet (3600 meters) southeast of the town of Moab. Church Rock is south of the La Sals, and eroded sandstone canyonlands radiate out in every direction from the base of this beautiful isolated mountain range of the Colorado Plateau.
In the 1930s a Utopian religious community was founded a few miles away from here called Home of Truth. Legend has it that there were plans made to hollow out Church Rock and turn it into a place of worship. And in fact, a hole of 16 x 24 feet (5 x 7 meters) was excavated on the southern side of the formation, seemingly lending credence to the story. In actuality however, the hole was hollowed out by the Young family of Monticello, who own several thousand acres for cattle ranching purposes in the valley. The “cave”, created in the late 1940s by rancher Claud Young, was and still is used to store salt blocks and feed for the cattle, protected from the weather. Despite the story not being true, it is still fairly easy to imagine the rock being shaped like a church and having a central entrance opening into a cavernous interior. In the majestic canyon lands of Utah, it seems like a perfectly plausible tale, and a fitting reminder of the glory of this region’s beauty.
Here’s a slightly different angle of view, showing the “cave” opening at the base of Church Rock in SE Utah.
The local Colorado Plateau desert rangeland of eastern Utah is marginally productive even in the best of years, and like so much western USA land, thousands of acres are required to support a single ranching family. The Young family must have many thousands of acres in order to run a relatively small number of cows on it. An arid climate and cold winters must hamper ecological productivity.
This region between the La Sal Mountains and Canyonlands National Park is characterized by towering red and white sandstone cliffs, carved by deep canyons and rugged slopes peppered with sagebrush, pinon pine, and Utah juniper woodlands. I will highlight more of the region’s attractions in a different blog post. There is much to see here.
Jan, You have done an excellent job of highlighting the history and the images of Church Rock. I have been following this rock formation for many years now hoping that someday I would be able to purchase this property form the Young Family in order to determine whether a
theory I have about this rock is true or false. However, I am running out of time as I am now getting older. If I can’t get a final resolution to what I believe Church Rock originally was myself, my hope is that someone else will pick up where I have left off and either prove my theory correct or incorrect. My theory is that Church Rock was originally built by Tibetan Buddhists and Native Americans to be a Buddhist Stupa. I believe that Buddhist monks came to N. America in 458 AD as documented in the ancient Chinese Imperial Record the Liang Shu.
That date coincides with the “common knowledge” of the approximate date the Anasazi culture showed up here in N. America. It is also commonly accepted that in the 13th century the Anasazi people because of widespread famine and catastrophic drought were given an ultimatum by Native Americans to leave N. America immediately or be massacred. It was so bad that people were resorting to cannibalism.
Up until that point Native Americans and Asians (Anasazi) who had followed the Buddhist monks to N. America got along fabulously with each other. The Anasazi taught Native Americas astronomy, irrigation techniques, road building and construction methods and medical
advances that they did not previously know. In the process many Native Americans embraced Buddhism. In 1498 when the leader of the 1458 expedition of Buddhist clerics returned to China per the Liang Shu he reported that Buddhism had made huge progress in Fu Sang
(the Asian name for N. America) As evidence of my theory that is why the Navajo nation refers to the Anasazi today as their “enemy ancestors”. Today that is a source of shame to all Puebloan tribes people because just recently the Tibetan Dalai Lama,Tibetan Buddhists
and the Puebloan people have restored their ancient connection since Tibet has been taken over by China and now many Tibetans are
now “homeless”. In several cases these N. American tribes have allowed Tibetans to settle on their reservation land as their own home.
What does this have to do with Church Rock and Mexican Hat Rock? (“Mexican Hat Rock Topo Zone”) and (“Gandhara Stupa Chatra Images”) I believe that both of these rock formations may not have been be naturally formed by wind and water erosion. I believe there is solid evidence to claim that both of these features may be in fact former Buddhist Stupas (Temples) dating back possibly as far as the 11th or 12th Centuries. (“Gandhara Stupa Images”)
Several years ago I did an extensive tour of the Church Rock property and the immediate surrounding area after I had obtained permission from the Young family to do so. I have also used a satellite mapping service and reviewed as many photos as I could access. After these
reviews this is what I have found that leads me to believe that this rock formation is not the result of wind and water erosion but most likely
is an ancient Gandhara Stupa.
1) If this is in fact a Buddhist Stupa it was abandoned before it was completed because although one side of the rock looks like a stupa the
side and rear portion closest to Moab is NOT shaped like a “completed” Buddhist Stupa.
2) However, if you closely look at numerous pictures of Church Rock you will notice that at the top of the bottom layer there are definitely
patches of white plaster on the top. Numerous ancient Buddhist stupas were completed covered with white plaster. That white plaster would have washed away long ago of the vertical portions of that rock.
3) At the very bottom of the foundation rock there is a band of rock that is in the exact same color of orange favored even today by Buddhist monks for their daily garments.
4) On the west side of the rock that orange band that encircles the rock has been covered with dirt that is now eroding away from the rock
itself. Was that dirt the result of natural erosion flowing down from uphill? If so why is there a valley between where the highway is and the rock itself.? Wouldn’t the flow of dirt down that hill have filled in that valley between the highway and Church Rock?
Was this dirt used to seal a possible entrance and/or to cover Buddhist rock carved artifacts so others would not be able to positively identify it as a stupa?
6) There can be no debate over the issue that there are substantial apparently very old irrigation/ water source channels on this property that could divert the south flowing water when needed from the creek that runs next to the property right up to the front of the rock where the hole in the rock was dynamited by the Young family.. If you use satellite imagery you can clearly see what I am referring to here. Grazing rights were granted in recent history for watering cattle there. Near where the diversion channel ends (visible on satellite maps) is where the well was dug for those cows that graze there today. On numerous satellite photos you will notice that during normal rainfall years that area directly in front of the “hole” is green. Especially so in one particular spot there. This is significant because cleanliness was /is of particular importance to Buddhism. Most ancient stupas had pools of water in front of them for cleansing ceremonies. If I am correct there would be ancient pool under that area that still gets replenished when the creek overflows and water comes down the diversion channel and continues to fill up that pool today.. That may be also why the current water well is there as well. That’s where the water is.
7) On the face of the bottom rock to the right of the “hole’ there appears to me to be the remains of a rock carving of “the Monkey God”.
The Monkey God was an important feature in ancient Buddhist carving images.
Google: “Buddhist Art/ Buddhist Stupas” & “Buddhist Art & Architecture: Symbolism of the Stupa/ Chatra” ” 22 Billion $ Recently Discovered in Temple in India”
Greetings Hendon:
I have not done anything more to Church Rock than look at it briefly from a distance while staying on the highway, so I cannot comment at all on details that you would have to observe closely, be they interior or exterior. With all due respect however, I do find the suggestion that this is an unfinished Buddhist stupa a bit tenuous. Buddhism is a well-established religious/spiritual tradition that is one of the most ancient in human society (Hinduism is older), and clearly while Buddhism has made its way around the world in the modern era the central focus of its cultural and religious impact has always been in South, Southeast, and East Asia.
To my knowledge, and I am writing this without any research at all, there is little significant cultural tradition with respect to Buddhist belief and philosophy outside of Asia until comparatively recently. And by “recently”, I mean the last 50 to 100 years. Buddhism is still very much a minority religion in the United States. Only a few percent of people in North America will likely claim Buddhism as their primary religious path. Although again with globalization of travel and media and other factors, clearly there has been an increase in Buddhism since especially the 1960s in the United States and elsewhere. But even if you accept that this increase is true (and I do) there’s no doubt that Buddhist thought and practice remains a small percentage of the overall population here in North America. This is unlike countries where Buddhism is the majority (such as Thailand and Cambodia) or a significant minority (such as China and Japan).
So my question to you would be, where is there additional tangible evidence of widespread Buddhist architecture and culture in Utah, or the Four Corners region widely understood to be the center of the people we call the Anasazi? There are literally thousands of ruins in this region, widely dispersed throughout the canyons and plateaus of the Colorado Plateau and adjacent biogeographic areas. Some are large, most are small. Clearly there was a sizable population of people living here hundreds to several thousand years ago. There is even a very recognizable “Anasazi style” of architecture, which anyone even slightly familiar with the region knows. If Buddhism were such a significant cultural force in the Colorado Plateau amongst the people we call the Anasazi (as you noted, this is actually a Navajo word, and the Navajo people arrived many centuries later than the Puebloan peoples that still exist today) then where is the evidence of additional religious and domestic infrastructure? Church Rock cannot be the only thing, can it?
Church Rock does bear an uncanny resemblance to a religious temple of some sort, which is why it quickly acquired the name “Church Rock” to begin with, in accordance with what was and still is the dominant religious influence in North America today, Christianity. Had Buddhism been widespread and culturally influential in the Colorado Plateau region a thousand or so years ago (speaking very broadly here) then surely we would see a great deal of archaeological evidence of it. There are thousands of Buddhist temples, shrines, and other historical and current artifacts in Asia, and many of them are a thousand plus years old. It’s not for lack of devotion and spiritual practice that millions of people invested the time and energy to build such structures in physical form in Asia. Why wouldn’t they have also done so in Utah? They built numerous other structures that still exist today, but none of them have a clear and obvious connection to Asian Buddhism.
This is why I find the hypothesis that Church Rock is an unfinished Buddhist stupa to be tenuous. Does it look like a stupa? Yes, as a matter of fact it does. It also looks quite a bit like a Coptic Church, a sect of Christianity found in Egypt and other countries of northeastern Africa. For that matter, it also quite resembles a modern-day astronomical observatory using high-powered telescopes to peer into the depths of the universe. But just because we see a resemblance does not mean there’s an actual, verifiable connection. Not unless there is a lot of other supporting evidence that indicates an entire culture was built around Buddhism, the way there is in Asia.
Also, why Utah? You’ve seen the valley Church Rock is located in. It is arid, averaging maybe 10 or 12 inches of rainfall per year, and the soil is poor and sandy, unsuitable for large-scale agriculture. This does not mean that the Anasazi peoples did not perform agriculture, but it must have been limited in scope and probably restricted mainly to river and valley bottoms with at least seasonal water. Granaries exist, and some of the ruins still contain actual grain that is hundreds of years old, so we know that they did practice some agriculture. But was there a large cultural and economic infrastructure that could support the creation of a massive Buddhist stupa in the middle of a remote Utah valley that was left unfinished? I find that doubtful.
Making large religious temples is the type of project that usually needs to be supported by a sizable population of settled, agricultural people with both human labor and food energy resources to spare. I see no evidence that such a large population of people could have lived in the Utah valley where Church Rock is located. Surely there would be much additional evidence that they were there?
Look at the the world-famous Buddhist temples at Angkor Wat in Cambodia. There is a large and still extant infrastructure of people and buildings in the form of a city that surrounds the main temple complex. It is true that much of that ancient city (empire?) at Angkor Wat is now uninhabited, but the point is that tons of easily observable evidence exists. Angkor Wat is roughly 900 years old according to Wikipedia and other sources, and underwent a severe population and social decline in the 1400s. But it has also been continuously inhabited since the demise of its glory days by lower numbers of people, and is still used for religious purposes today.
Wouldn’t a city built to support Church Rock also be roughly a thousand years old, and abandoned around 700 or 800 years ago? It is thought that the “Anasazi” moved and migrated around the region to become what we now call the Hopi of Arizona, and the Puebloan tribes of New Mexico. The term “Anasazi” is not really considered to be a neutral one by these peoples, since again it is a Navajo word for “enemy ancestors” and therefore pejorative. The Hopi themselves suggest using the term “hisatsinom”, which is their own linguistic term meaning “ancestors”, just without the “enemy” part. Since descendants of the “Anasazi” are still alive, why isn’t Buddhism as we see it in Asia still a significant cultural force among those people? And why isn’t there easily viewable evidence of a city around Church Rock? Both Acoma and Taos Pueblos in New Mexico have existed for more than a thousand years, and these people are widely understood to be the descendants of the “Anasazi”, yet Buddhism is not a part of their culture today.
Additionally, I imagine that the geology of the various sandstone strata that comprise Church Rock will match the strata of nearby other mesas and escarpments. The erosional pattern that has removed surrounding stone over eons and left the knob we call Church Rock would lead to this somewhat isolated monolith, but if you were to “fill in” the missing sediments and bring them over to the nearest other hills and cliffs, I bet they would match closely. Church Rock is clearly a monolith of native sandstone, not pieced together by stones quarried from elsewhere and brought in and mortared together.
You might not be suggesting that it is, of course, and rather you may be suggesting that the Anasazi carved out the existing monolith of Church Rock into a stupa. But again, where is the other cultural and archaeological evidence of Buddhism in the descendants of these people, who are alive and well to this very day in the Hopi, Zuni, and other Puebloan tribes that still live in the Four Corners region? We should see it both in the valley immediately around Church Rock, as well as in numerous other places around the canyons and mountains of the Four Corners region.
A thousand years isn’t that long to erase all that evidence. After all, there are Anasazi ruins that are tucked into cliff alcoves that are that old right now. There are churches in Europe that date back 1500 years. The Great Pyramids of Giza are 5000 years old. There are Buddhist structures in Asia a thousand or more years old. Why don’t they also exist in Utah and the Colorado Plateau? A thousand years is nothing in terms of geological time, so if Buddhism were truly prevalent here amongst the Anasazi peoples, I think there would be a lot of directly observable evidence to prove it.
I mean no disrespect in addressing your commentary. It is an interesting hypothesis but just because something bears a superficial resemblance to something else does not necessarily mean there is a supportable connection. My reply is an attempt to better understand this aspect of human history and parse out whether what you are proposing could be true or not. When asking questions of this nature, we should not only look at why something might be true, but also at why it might NOT be true. For me, at this time, I don’t think the assertion that Church Rock is an unfinished Buddhist stupa is supported by compelling additional evidence, seen from a wider perspective and context.
Thanks for reading and commenting. 🙂
Jan, Thank you for posting my recent comment and your thoughtful response. I absolutely take no offense at your thought provoking
numerous questions. These are questions that need to be answered if my claims are to be ever proven correct and commonly acknowledged. The primary purpose of my posting here was to let people know that ancient Buddhists stored their offerings in their temples-Stupas. In these early temples portions of the remains of the original Buddha and other ancient Buddhist dignitaries were also stored along with the treasure deposited and stored there.. Recently in India in an existing Hindu temple 22 BILLION DOLLARS of UNKNOWN TREASURE was discovered. They are now trying to work out to whom this treasure trove belong. Obviously that gets everyone’s attention or at least it should! Is there treasure inside Church Rock and Mexican Hat?
Much has been written regarding the questions you have raised. So in the interest of time and space I will refer you to a couple of them.
Both times I have been in Moab, Utah I was pleasantly surprised by the Buddhist monks in town. Why would there be Buddhist monks there? It’s not exactly the crossroads of the world.
Native Americans worship fire the same way that Tibetan Buddhists do. Tibetan Buddhism is the ONLY one of the three major schools of Buddhism that worship fire the same way the the followers of Hinduism do.
Use your favorite Internet search engine: “Agni-Hindu God of Fire Tibetan Buddhist Encyclopedia” Also google: “1853-1856 N Pacific Naval Expedition” and “Were Anasazi Buddhist?” for evidence that Asians appear to have had no problem getting back and forth to Asia using the North Pacific Gyre.
There are three rock formations that are common throughout the Four Corners Region and particularly in the area of Moab Utah that connect to ancient Buddhism. Those three rock formations are known as Chatra, Torana and Phallic Symbols.
For a beautiful Chatra found in the Bisti Badlands among many other images google “Bent Hoodoo by Ned” For one found in the ancient Hopi city of Walpi, Third Mesa google: “Snake Dancers Rock”. This is probably the most sacred Hopi monument because most of their ceremonial activities including the once every two year “Snake Dance” is celebrated around that rock. For an example of not just a Torana but a Makara Torana google: “Delicate Arch Arches National Park. A Torana is a Temple Gateway Arch. Google: “Makara Torana” for numerous examples in Asia. Lastly massive Phallic Symbols are not usually the topic of polite conversation in western society. However, in Buddhism and in Asian society there is no such stigma. Right in front of Double Arches in Arches National Park is a very large example of what I am talking about. Google: Phallic Symbols N America”. At that same location is a rock formation I have called a Persian Manticore. Google: “Persian Manticore Arches National Park”. A Persian Manticore is a man’s head on a lion’s body. This formation although much smaller has a similarity to the Sphinx in Egypt. I have personally walked around the third sides of the rock in Arches National Park that are not connected to the rock formation in the back. Although partly eroded there is enough left to see that all three sides of that so called natural formation are connected and tied together into the head, face, nose and mouth that the original artists intended to be viewed. That is not how erosion works. Erosion is random.
There is so much more to share. However, I’ll leave you with one last thought. Why do all the Puebloan tribes consider Rainbow Arch on
Lake Powell to be a Sacred Monument. Because of the tourists that were using tour boats to get to this remote place the Navajo filed and lost a federal court case in an effort to keep these 300,000 a year tourists from continuing to walk on the “sacred ground” directly beneath Rainbow Arch. In Buddhism the ground beneath a Torana is land Where NO ONE is to Walk. It is a sacred place for only images of Buddha or other deities.
Here, I need to tell you I am not Buddhist. I am a believing Christian by my personal faith. My great grandfather, grandfather and father were Christian missionaries. I make my living as in real estate. I have no religious ax to grind here. However, I believe that the
truth is the truth and if my theory is correct I believe it should be acknowledged and accepted regardless of who did it and why.
There is so much more to share however I’ll end my posting with the direction to what I believe is a Vajrayana/ Tibetan geoglyph near Egnar, Colorado. I believe it is such because it represents one of Vajrayana’sTibetan Buddhism’s wrathful deities surrounded by flames. The other symbol there represents The Three Pillars of Buddhist. Google: “Ancient Buddha, Tree of Life, and Lotus Flower.
Hopefully this evidence will show that Church Rock does not stand alone in this arid location. There appears to
be much evidence that at one time many many years ago this area was much more populated.
Hendon Harris
“Buddhist Symbols, Customs and Monuments in Pre-Columbian North America”
If there were in ancient times a significantly larger native population living in the Four Corners Region of the Pacific Southwest what happened to them? Excellent question. There were two commonly accepted huge catastrophic events that happened almost back to
back. Around the 13th century there was a terrible famine throughout the Pacific Southwest. It is not known what caused the famine but
a lack of precipitation resulting in massive crop failures in my opinion would be as good a guess or probably better than most. It was this
dire situation that caused the Native Americans to basically expel the Anasazi from the continent under threat of death if they did not leave
immediately. We know the Anasazi culture was very advanced because they taught many things to the native people who were here long before the Anasazi arrived. They taught the natives astronomy, improved farming techniques, medical improvements among numerous other advances such as water diversion, rock carving methods symbols and water storage techniques. In the process the Anasazi formed a great bound with the local people. Although things got rough quickly when the Anasazi were “kicked out”. I believe that bond is in the process of being restored. My unproven belief is that the Anasazi were Buddhists by culture and in the process of sharing their knowledge with the Puebloan people many Puebloans became Buddhists as well. However, there was ALWAYS a cultural gap between these two cultures originating from two different parts of the world. I believe the Anasazi culture were Buddhists. But not just Buddhists
but Tibetan/ Vajrayana Buddhists originally from Gandhara. I say this because in Buddhism only Tibetan Buddhists worship the Hindu god of fire Agni and have absorbed numerous other Hindu cultural customs like the Seven Step/ Seven Vow wedding ceremony which they still celebrate today. The only places where this is celebrated today is in India and among the Puebloan people. When the current Dalai Lama came to Los Angeles for the first time just a few years ago he was greeted by several Hopi tribal elders. The elders insisted that everybody there only speak in their native language. The first words spoken to the Dalai Lama by the leader of the Hopi delegation was “WELCOME HOME”. The response from His Holiness was “And where do you think your turquoise came from”. Everyone laughed. Since that time these two cultures have become closer and closer. Some exiled Tibetans have even been allowed to settle on Native America Tribal Property. Read “Tibetan and Native American Tribal Prophecies” of when and why these two distinctly separate cultures will one day be reunited. It’s happening now as in “when the iron eagle flies”.
The second major loss of Native American life occurred when the Spanish explorers came to N America in the 16th century. They probably not knowing what the ultimate consequences would be brought livestock including pigs that carried diseases to North America for which Native Americans had not developed any immunities. Charles Mann has written a scholarly book “1491” in which he describes what life
was like here just before the Europeans arrived. For those of you who don’t have time to read his book use your search engine and type in
“1491 Charles Mann”. Mann believes as much as 65% or possibly more of the Native American population died very soon after the Spanish arrived. Everyone acknowledges there was major loss of life as the result of the introduction of previously unknown diseases here. However, there are vigorous discussions on just how severe it actually was and what the actual death count was. That’s why I believe there was such an enormous loss of life and and the resulting population decline.
Water storage for water shortages and water diversion during floods requires scientific knowledge and engineering skills to build these
systems. In ancient times the cultures in India and China were masters of this knowledge. They knew the techniques to use these skills for irrigation and water storage for public use in non emergency times. Often it was the Hindu and Buddhist temples of their time that provided these functions when needed. Check this source out: “Ancient Hindu/Buddhist Temple Tank Images”
I mention this because I believe that given the size of Church Rock, if it was actually a stupa then it also had a water tank because that was the tradition. The water diversion channel to bring the water from the creek to the area just in front of the hole in the rock can be clearly
seen from satellite imagery. That area is where the water diversion channel from the waterway disappears. During normal times that area is often unusually green showing that those green plants are getting water from somewhere.
If my theory regarding Church Rock is correct and it actually is a Buddhist Stupa, in addition to having a rock lined Cleansing Pool in
front of Church Rock, I can also show you what it would look like inside. There was a rigid pattern that was followed. Google: “Buddhist Chaityas”. A Buddhist Chaityas is a prayer hall. At the end of the hall is another stupa within the large Stupa structure that surrounds and encloses it. Inside that interior stupa is where ancient Buddhists stored the partial remains of Buddha and other Buddhist notable clerics along with their treasure offerings
Jan, In your May 27th response to my original posting you asked the question: “….why isn’t Buddhism as we see it in Asia still a significant
cultural force among those (Puebloan People) people.
Use your favorite search engine: “Buddhist Symbols, Customs and Monuments in Pre Columbian North America. These religious connections are still here today. They are too numerous to be a coincidence.
Matriarchal cultures are not common throughout the world today and I believe that they have never been common throughout history.
However, they do exist today and have in past history. Matriarchal cultures have been extensively studied as a part of Cultural Anthropology a significant area of science. As much as Physical Anthropology is a recognized area of science Cultural Anthropology is as well. The reason I bring this up here is because The Puebloan Tribes of the North American Pacific South West are matriarchal cultures.
Would it surprise you that people from non matriarchal societies might not have a full understanding and appreciation of the differences between the majority of cultures where males are considered to perform the dominate role and the much fewer cultures where females are considered to be dominate? Would you be surprised that some men (in particular men in ancient history and in pre modern history) might mock women ad men from such a culture? I don’t believe that would come as a surprise at all.
Matriarchal cultures are rare and yet one male dominated culture from 5th century CE Asia and then another one from 15th and 16th century Europe came to the Pacific Southwest where they both encountered the native matriarchal Puebloan tribal cultures.
The Asian group leader (Hwui Shan) returned to China and gave his report to the Imperial Court courtiers but had his report on what the local cultures were like altered in ridicule by the the Chinese court. When that report was ultimately entered into the Chinese Imperial record a hundred years later it included that ridicule. This alteration included reports that the women there Did Not Need Men. They were impregnated by snakes, their babies nursed from the back of their mothers necks, etc. Their mention of snakes in this historic report is significant because Hopi men (one of the numerous Puebloan tribes) have reverence for snakes as demonstrated in their Bi Annual Snake Dance held to this day in Walpi Village First Mesa which has been attended by an American President. Because of the liberties taken by the Chinese Court this report has rarely been taken seriously. However, what is unavoidably significant about the ancient Chinese report is that so much of the report was about the Women in the culture that were encountered there. That was one of the major topics. The Chinese called the area the Land of Women.
Interestingly, in the 15th and 16th centuries when the Spanish came to the Pacific Southwest (home of the Puebloan Cultures) looking for the Lost Cities of Gold, they were also fascinated by the role of the women in that as well. They called the region the Land of Amazon Women. According to the Spanish reports these women were called the Amazons. They also claimed that these “mighty warrior women”
did not have a need for men as well. They did not need them for procreation or anything else. When these reports reached Spain they
became popular. A novel was written on these amazing Amazon women by a famous Spanish author. From that novel the Queen of the Amazon women was named Cali. From that novel is how the present day State of California got it’s name. The novel also said that the Baja Peninsula was an island. We know today that Baja is absolutely Not An Island. However, for many years after this was absolutely known the Spanish continued to believe that Baja was an island because that’s what the novelist had written
The reason I have gotten into this detail on the Puebloan people being matriarchal is because this feature is so rare among the many cultures in the world. That is the very reason that both the Chinese and the Spanish cultures found this feature so fascinating when they
arrived here and encountered that culture.
I believe these two expeditions coming from different parts of our planet centuries apart and both describing a Matriarchal culture provides major evidence as to where the ancient Chinese land of Fu Sang is actually located.
Correction: In the second paragraph of my first posting on this site I incorrectly stated that Hwui Shan’s Buddhist expedition arrived in Fu
Sang in 1458 CE and he returned to China in 1498 CE. I mistakenly added a thousand years to each date. The correct dates of the arrival
and departure of Hwui Shan from the place the Chinese had known as Fu Sang for hundreds if not thousands of years was 458 CE and 498 CE. There is no controversy on these dates by modern scholars. That report is in the Chinese Imperial record. However, there is a great deal of controversy regarding where this beautiful and magical land the Chinese knew as Fu Sang was/is actually physically located today. Asians were in Fu Sang a very long time before the Buddhists arrived and logged their report on their impressions of Fu Sang. Henriette Mertz wrote a book “Gods from the Far East” that also provides details where ancient Fu Sang was/is located. Ancient Chinese journals available today detail maps of locations surveyed approximately 4000 years ago by Chinese explorers using technology that the West is not willing to acknowledge that the ancient Chinese possessed such a triangular surveying that allowed them to determine the heights of mountains. Google: “Forward Intersection Zilan Wang” Mertz claimed to have identified an expedition path she reported as have been taken by ancient Chinese surveyors down the east side of the Rocky Mountains. The survey detailed 12 specific locations where the surveyors stopped and did extensive studies. Six of the locations that were explored were reported to have much GOLD and other precious minerals.
Mertz claims to have identified where these locations are today from Colorado down to the Rio Grande. Viewing these specific locations
using easy to access high altitude imagery it’s not difficult to see “strip mine trailings’ to this very day trailing from the locations she identified as the locations where the ancient surveyors described much gold. Yes, as I’m sure you are willing to acknowledge these tailings have drifted south over these many many years. However, they are down stream of these locations. “Lost Cities of Gold”, El Dorado, 7 Cities of Gold”
Does any of this sound familiar to you as to what the Spanish explorers spent so many lives, treasure and time trying unsuccessfully to locate and mine themselves after the original mines were closed? Personally I have been to two of these six locations and studied the areas myself. How could the ancient surveyors have been able to identify the highest peaks at each location approximately 100 miles
apart and visually accessible from each other. How could they so accurately describe the direction the rivers flowed as they do to this day? How could they possibly describe the specific animal life that is remarkably located at the bottom of Baldy Peak? How could ancient Chinese surveyors have known anything about our “Great Sand Dunes National Park” unless they had been there and seen it for themselves? Personally I believe Henriette Mertz was right about her conclusions even though she was never able to travel to these locations herself. The evidence at these locations speak volumes.
Over the years I have been studying Church Rock several characteristics of the rock have puzzled me.
1) Why does there appear to be the remains of “White Plaster” on the less than ultra steep sides on the top of the rock? 2) Why does there appear to be the remains of a carving (perhaps of the Monkey King an important figure in ancient Buddhism) to the right of the “hole in the wall” and just above the orange band encircling Church Rock? 3) What about that orange strip (a prominent and distinctive Buddhist color) encircling the bottom of the rock formation? 4) What about the top 3rd of the orange strip that is so different from the bottom 2/3rds of the encircling orange band. Could those be the weathered remains of individual rock carvings done centuries ago? 5) What about that
large section of dirt of the left side of the rock that rises up to cover the orange encircling orange band there? Why does that section of dirt appear to be slowly eroding away from the rock? Given the topography how did that dirt get there naturally since there is a significant valley between the uphill side and the rock itself?
All these unanswered questions led me to the conclusion that if Church Rock was in fact a stupa (or a cetiya) that there would be at least one or more in Asia where the acknowledgement of such a formation would not change their commonly accepted national history. After starting that search I found a similar stupa (cetiya) in Sri Lanka. It’s name is Ruwanwelisaya, a cetiya in the sacred city of Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka. The cetiya is covered in white plaster. It has an orange band encircling the bottom of the formation. It has a larger band at the bottom. The orange band is right above it. I’m confident as I continue my search I will discover other such “temples”
For more information on this temple in Asia use your favorite search engine: “Ruwanwelisaya, a cetiya in the sacred city of Anuradhapura,
Sri Lanka”. “If it looks like a duck, if it’s colored like a duck, if it has all the principal features of a duck— It’s almost certainly a Duck!”
Google: “Ruwanweliseya Stupa, Sri Lanka 144 BCE”
Google: “Ancient constructions of Sri Lanka” ** “Major irrigation schemes of Sri Lanka, as evident from the earliest written records in the
Mahawansa, date back to the fourth century BCE.” “Let not even a drop of rain water go to the sea without benefitting man.” by
Parakrama Bahu 1153-1186 CE
“Stone Temple Tank Images in Sri Lanka”
“Ancient Temple Bathtubs or Pools in Sri Lanka”
Is Church Rock the only potentially Buddhist stupa in the world with an orange or several layered band/s and other Buddhist colors at it’s base? No it is not. “Observe the Colorful Buddhist Flag-Wrapping Ceremony at Ruwanweliseya Stupa” and “A ‘Kapruka Pujawa’
at Ruwananweli Muhasay” . The name of the stupa wrapping ceremony done at this stupa in Sri Lanka is called a “kapruka pujawa”. It’s done by Buddhist devotees as an act of worship and devotion. This is typically done on one of the 12-13 full moon days during the year. The Buddhist name for these days are called Poya Days. The days celebrating the full moon are among the most celebrated days in the Buddhist calendar. “5 Things to Do on Poya Days in Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka”.
Here I need to repeat that I am not Buddhist nor am I trying to convert anyone to Buddhism. I am a believing Christian. I come from a long line of full time Christian missionaries and preachers. That fact is neither here nor there. I am stating it again here because I don’t want anyone to believe that I am doing this to personally promote Buddhism itself. I have been doing this research in an effort to find and reveal historical truth if that in fact is the case with Church Rock. If ancient Buddhists did make it to ancient North America as I believe the facts continue to show we should be strong enough in our faith and our culture to handle that truth.
Something else I should share is that while I was inspecting the Church Rock property many years ago I walked up and down the dry stream bed that runs about 50 feet +/- east of Church Rock. That stream bed was all dirt north and south of the Rock. However, there is an exception. Just a few feet south there are scores of rocks (large rocks) now scattered east/west across the stream bed. They are so scattered that they could not even slow any water down much less stop it now. It got me thinking. Who would have had a motive to bring those large rocks the? Could it have been to stop the south moving water in the rainy season and create a small lake in the stream for irrigation and human consumption? Assuming that dam was successfully completed, would it not have also backed up the water level to the point where the water diversion channel intersects with the creek thus forcing the risen water level in the creek to flow down the water diversion channel to where the water diversion channel ends just to the south of the Rock where I have theorized is where the temple tank may be located.
That location is exactly where the current water well is today to water the cattle that the Youngs or their lessees graze there. All these features taken together seem to point to a possible extremely interesting past for Church Rock. If it’s true and was ultimately accepted by academics and nationalists it would change North American history as well as make someone like the owners a boatload of money. My primary goal is to get to the bottom of this mystery. The truth could be discovered without damaging the Rock in any way. Either there is a sophisticated buried and filled in with dirt water tank where I believe it is in front of the rock or there isn’t. Also either the dirt piled up on the left hand side of the Rock (the highway side) is covering up Buddhist statues or the original entrance into the Rock or it isn’t. Neither of these exploratory efforts would damage the rock in any way. In fact sonar beams could be used to locate the corners of that buried water tank if it’s in fact actually there.
Given what I know about ancient huge Buddhist temples from that period–if there’s no Temple Tank there then there’s no temple there either.
Ancient Buddhists were sticklers to detail and cleanliness was such an important part of their worship that for there to be no remains of an ancient temple tank there for that size stupa then there would be No Stupa there either.
There are 5 traditional colors of Buddhism. Actually 6 colors if you include the combination of the first colors into the last merged color.
1) Blue- The color for peace and compassion. 2) Yellow- The color representing the Buddhist Middle Path teaching. 3) Red- Blessings for
following the Middle Path. 4) White- Purity of the Faith and 5) Orange (Saffron) Representing -Wisdom Saffron is the color of the robes worn by Buddhist monks. Google: “Church Rock Utah Images” How many of those five colors can you find on Church Rock itself in separate bands around the circumference of the Rock? I believe I may have located 4 separate bands with 3 of the 5 Buddhist colors around the entire rock,
Moving from the bottom up: 1) A large band of saffron (Orange) from the ground up. 2) Directly above the saffron band is the Largest
band which covers the entire middle of the formation. It appears to be yellow which signifies ironically “The Middle Path”. 3) Where the
bottom rock starts to curve in at it’s top are the traces of the White Plaster remains which extend to the top of the bottom rock. Purity.
4) Just above the White Plaster section is another saffron (Orange section) much more weathered than the larger saffron section at the bottom of the larger of the rocks.
That appears to me to be 3 of the 5 colors of Buddhism and the Buddhist flag are on Church Rock. I had noticed the orange band at the
bottom and the white patches at the top several years ago. It’s been within the last 60 days after I had read what the colors of the Buddhist
flag were that I started looking for any more evidence of any of those particular, specific colors in other locations there. That when I noticed
the middle of the bottom rock appears to be yellow and the bottom of the top rock was saffron as well.
“Church Rock Utah Images” There are literally dozens of pictures of the rock there and several of them clearly show the middle section to be yellow. “Vesak Poya 2019 Date and Significance: Buddha Jayanti or Buddha Purnima Celebrations in Sri Lanka”
Use your favorite search engine: “Agni-Hindu God of Fire-Tibetan Buddhist Encyclopedia” and “Were the Anasazi People Buddhists?”
Google: “Persian Manticore- Arches National Park” Persian Manticores were widely known and created in the early centuries CE. in Asia. This rock formation is in Arches National Park just a few miles away from Church Rock itself. Arches is what we North Americans call these formations. Elsewhere in the world where Buddhism is the main religion these rock formations are called Torana which means “temple gateway arch”. To this day there is at least one Temple Gateway Arch which the modern day Native American people in the area consider sacred. That is Rainbow Bridge on Lake Powell. The local tribal cultures in the area unsuccessfully filed a lawsuit to keep the 300,000+ tourists that visit that arch by boat “from walking on the ground under the arch” because in their belief system as well as in Buddhism the land underneath a Torana (Temple Gateway Arch) is sacred ground and to only be used for a statue of an image to be worshiped. In Buddhism that would be an image of Buddha. Unfortunately the Native Americans were unsuccessful in enforcing their simple request.
The similarities of the customs between Buddhism an those of the Puebloan tribal cultures go on and on and on. Is there a connection?
I believe the extent of that evidence can only point to that conclusion. (Another major example is the Manji (swastika) used extensively by
both cultures) There are so many other examples. The list goes on.
Some ancient stupas were made by block construction. Others were simply carved out of natural stone. If Church Rock is in fact a stupa it was carved out of solid rock. This was not work for amateurs! An example of this incredible rock carved (not block construction style is The Kailash Temple, India. The work done at the Kailash Temple was done over many many years by not just one but three separate religions. It was carved by Buddhist, Hindu and Jain clerics. The carving there was not only for the Chaityas (worship halls) but also the places where these clerics lived. These places where they lived were/are called Viharas. Google: “Chaityas and Viharas”.
In ancient Buddhism and perhaps to this very day the building of a new Buddhist worship facility would have to comply with established Buddhist tradition. At least in ancient times these worship buildings and surrounding features were built according to strict rules and conditions. Details MATTERED in ancient Buddhism! There were even conditions on where the Stupa could be built
in conjunction with the ease of access to the location, the crossroads as well as the Viharas themselves. This begs the question- Okay-Where could the Vihara for Church Rock and the required crossroads be located? For the answer to that question I believe you can answer for yourself by Goggle Mapping: “Church Rock, Utah”. For those that can’t do that I will answer that in a later posting.
“The Ellora Caves, India” are an excellent example of the skills ancient Buddhists priests had is carving solid rock for religious purposes.
Here’s another example. “Mushroom Rocks State Park, Kansas USA” Buddhist Chatras? I believe they are. What other explanation is there? The current Kansas Park Service explanation is that these are the result of wind and water erosion. That explanation might work for someone who isn’t Buddhist. However, a Buddhist cleric, devotee or anyone familiar with Buddhist imagery would immediately recognize what that image is and what it represents. A chatra is one of The 8 Symbols of Buddhism! “Chatra” in Sanskrit, the ancient language of India where Buddhism originated, means “mushroom”. That’s why these rocks look like mushrooms. Thus the name “Mushroom Rock State Park”.
Necessary Clarification: Mushrooms Are Not one of the eight auspicious symbols of Buddhism. The shape of the mushroom is similar to the parasol shape. However, it’s the parasol that is one of the eight auspicious symbols. That is why in Sanskrit the word “chatra” means
mushroom because is very similar to what a parasol looks like. The parasol is designed for protection from the Sun as an umbrella is protection from rain. The symbol of the parasol is implied “protection”.
In Buddhism the use of the parasol is permitted only to be used sheltering either high ranking Buddhist Clerics like the Dalai Lama or high ranking government officials or tribal leaders for another example. There are details and photographs in North America to demonstrate an example of this Buddhist symbol being used to convey their authority by Native American tribal chiefs in 1883. That year U. S President
Arthur on his way to Yellowstone Park met with Shoshone Chief Washakie at the Wind River Reservation.
For pictures taken from behind of these chiefs holding umbrellas on a beautiful sunny day google: (Mark Trahant: Counting Up presidential visits to Indian Country” For the very best frontal images of these same chiefs you can buy a book for less than $7 on ebay.
That book is titled: The Great Chiefs-Time Life Books- The Old West Series.” For the pictures I have described you need to go to pages
144-145. This is how the caption to the picture you will see there reads.
“Shoshonis-together with Arapahos who share their reservation- line up to meet President Arthur. The Chiefs Hold Umbrellas To Distinguish Them From Ordinary Warriors. (The caps in the last sentence are mine and not the author’s) Washakie did not attend;
observing protocol, he awaited Arthur in his lodge.”
I don’t know if you see this the same way I do. To me this is a crystal clear example of North American Chiefs using these regular umbrellas as Buddhist Chatras to signify their power and authority as Native American Chiefs. Now where would they have learned that
very different custom unless it was from Buddhists who had visited America sometime in the past and who had shared this custom and
practice with Native Americans.
Google: “Ancient Buddha, Tree of Life, Lotus Flower” for an example of a most likely stone carved Buddhist geoglyph in Colorado.
While I admit that I don’t really see this in the same light that you do, I also find it interesting that you are putting so much research into this. 🙂 It’s worth pondering.
Google: “Red and yellow: the mystery of Tibetan Buddhist architecture” –‘Only temples and Buddhist clerics residences are eligible for “yellow exteriors”‘. That explains why there is a very wide yellow band encircling the middle portion of Church Rock. Does it also explain why there is a much thinner and somewhat faded yellow band encircling the large rock formation across Utah Highway #191 from Church Rock? Could that have been the place where the Buddhist monks working at the temple across the roadway carved out places for themselves to live.
Random means random. It could have happened anywhere naturally. Random does not need support facilities. However, if you are building a large worship facility in which you are expecting to receive large numbers of people coming there to worship whatever religion you are practicing or whatever century in history you are in there are absolutely necessary things you must be aware of and to provide for to accommodate the people you hope to come and spend time there worshipping. (These support services are essential to your success in
getting people to come there and stay for the worship services you plan to provide.) These services Are Not Random. They are essential. Therefore if you locate a structure you believe was a HUGE Ancient Worship Facility these support facilities Must Be There along with what
you are considering as the ancient worship facility itself.
1) Assuming you are expecting a large amount of people to come to this location from far and wide you Must Be Close To A Major Roadway that will provide access to those you plan to attend. (Not Random)
2) You must have an ongoing consistent water source there for these people. (Not Random)
3) You must be able to provide facilities for the human waste of those in attendance. (Not Random)
4) You must be able to feed them while they are there. (Not Random)
Being near a consistent water source would make it possible to grow crops to feed people to accomplish this requirement.
As it happens when you view the Church Rock location from Google Maps you will see the entire area from whatever height you desire.
Regarding 1) You will see that Church Rock today is located on Utah State Highway #191 going north and south as well as another Highway that runs east and west. That highway is the one you’d take to Newspaper Rock (very old stone carvings) just a few miles away. Assuming that these modern date highways were dirt roads long before Utah became a state this would provide access to Church Rock from quite a large area using the same topography.
Regarding #2 Church Rock is right on the banks of a major stream. You can stand by the east side and almost throw a rock into it. It is dry
I believe most of the year now perhaps because of climate change but it does carry water during the rainy season even now. The evidence
of the water channels that at one time diverted the water from the stream to the rock itself are still there. (That’s not random)
Regarding #3 If Church Rock was an actual religious structure for many years the massive human waste disposal issue would have had to been addressed and the evidence of this must be somewhere relatively close to Church Rock itself. (If archeologists can locate and identify Dinosaur waste from ages past I would assume they could do the same thing identifying human waste pits here)
Regarding #4 Humans must eat on a regular basis. If Church Rock was a stupa then a large amount crops by necessity would have had to be grown there to feed both the monks who lived there and the worshippers who came from near and far.
By looking at the whole area surrounding Church Rock using Google Maps I believe you can still notice that the present surface of the land
appears quite different than the area just beyond it. Naturally this whole area is quite arid.
What I have written here about Church Rock also applies to Mexican Hat Rock also in Utah on Utah Hwy #163 and on the banks of the San
Juan River. Random means entirely random. Random does not place you on a significant highway (ancient pathway) and on the banks of a significant water source. According to the odds random in the North American Pacific Southwest area places you in the middle of an extremely remote and arid place. Certainly not on a roadway along side an excellent water source.
Church Rock, Utah Is Not An Isolated Disconnected Religious Feature. The Internet ties Church Rock to numerous identical Buddhist rock
carved worship symbols and features in Asia. Google: “Wrapped Stupa Images” Notice that the colors of the Buddhist flag on Church Rock to this day are the same colors of the Buddhist flag which are being wrapped around Buddhist religious figures in Asia currently.
“Wrapped Sri Lanka Stupa in Utah?”
“Drala: History of Stupas” Two Page+ Internet article on the basic interesting facts of the stupa.
“Wrapped Stupa Images” & “Wrapped Stupa Utah”
GREAT NEWS!!! This morning I discovered you don’t need to travel to Utah to appreciate the majesty of Church Rock standing in the Utah desert. Whether you are house bound, live in Asia or any where else in the world or just don’t have the time to travel there there is
a way to see Church Rock, the bands of Buddhist colors that wrap it, the creek that runs by it as well as the man made water diversion channel that branches off the creek and runs right to the front of the rock (Stupa) itself. What a wonderful opportunity for everyone to see
Church Rock for themselves!!
Google: “Drone Videos of Church Rock: Utah
“Wrapped Buddhist Stupas Around the World” and “Wrapped Buddhist Stupas Around the World Including Utah USA”
The more you read the more you learn. I just learned something new about Stupas. I was just reading again “History of Stupas-Drala Mountain Center” Page 2 Paragraph 4 “It seems natural to erect a vertical post, such as a May pole or flagpole, to mark the Sun’s zenith.
It ties together earth with heaven and represents a unifying element-a center, the life force, an axis-mundi, the lingam, or gathering place.”
Google: “Insane Spot Landing on the Top of Church Rock in Moab, Utah” I Do Not advocate the desecration of Church Rock in ANY Way.
Having said that I need to tell you that someone or some people (most likely Buddhists) have climbed to the top of Church Rock and planted a pole like the one referenced above. Whoever, it was that did this were most likely Buddhist because who else would have been so motivated to risk death in achieving this mission? If you view the above mentioned video of Church Rock you will see multiple images of
this pole of which I am referring. Obviously, I am not the only person who believes Church Rock is a Stupa. In the narrative of the pilot who was taking the video he at one point reports seeing a ladder on the top of the Church Rock Cone as well.
Here is another paramotor flight over Church Rock and other rock formations in the area. Google: “Is Mid Day Paramotor Flying Safe?” The flyer not being familiar with Buddhist tradition after also spotting the pole on top of Church Rock calls it a “lightening rod” because that’s what it looks like.
“Were the Anasazi People Buddhists?”
“Fu Sang: The Last Wilderness”
“An Ancient Kapruka Pujawa done on the ‘permanent wrapped stone in Buddhist colors’ at Church Rock, Utah?”
“Buddhist Symbols, Customs & Monuments in Pre-Columbian North America”
Google: “Meaning of Mandalas/ Native American Mandalas”
By Tradition and Style Buddhist Stupas Throughout the Ages Have Had a Spire Pointing Skyward on the Top. (History of Stupas-Drala
Mountain Center Page 2 Paragraph 4) Although now only a simple pole Church Rock has the required spire. (That’s not a random
feature.)
If you want to quickly and simply see the pole at the top of Church Rock- Google: “Insane Spot Landing on the Top of Church Rock.” Fast
forward the video to 6 minutes 40 seconds and pause. The top half of the pole is white.
“Did the Chinese Discover America?” Dr. Michael Heiser
“Persian Manticore- Arches National Park”
“Hwui Shan-Lying Buddhist Priest or Missionary Explorer Extraordinare?”
“Malhar: Kanheri Caves Mumbai – Blogger P. N. Subramanian”
“The Joseph Needham North American Chess Board Grid Collection” Scroll down to: The Original Chess Board Grid South West of Swan Hills, Alberta Can anyone persuade you into believing that this was the result of natural erosion or
was recently done? This grid pattern has slighted detiorated over a very long period of time. It could hardly have been done in a more remote place. These patterns are to be found in numerous places in the Pacific West and North West.
There are those that attempt to explain them as the result of modern logging. Why would anyone in the modern logging business spend so much time, effort and money in making perfect rectangles by cutting down the trees ONLY on the
the white rectangles and then leaving the trees only on the green triangles? How could they inexpensively with minimal
effort get the trees they had cut down out of there with the rectangles (with trees Green Triangles) remaining on all four existing sides? Either today, 100 years ago or 1000 years ago that would make sense Only if the recctangles themselves were far more important that the harvesting of the trees. And then why have trees or any other type of green vegatation had such a hard time growing once again on those white rectangles. Could it have been cinnabar spread there? What does this have to do with Church Rock? I believe that this provides further evidence that Asian cultures far more advanced than we have been taught to believe existed have lived in North America in ages past.
“The Joseph De Guignes Coastal Oregon Grid Patterns” The game of dominoes is commonly acknowledged to have originated in India or China. Why are there very large geoglyph images of two or more domino tiles in the middle of the forest near Diamond Lake, Oregon? These can be seen if you access the above site. I believe they’re in the second
google map photo in the posting. If you zoom in on those domino tiles you will see that the dots are in the exact same location as in your domino set at home), The circles of the dots are a grove of trees that were cut in a circle. The part of the domino tile geoglyhs that do not have the dots (trees) on them are white and in the correct domino tile positions that they are in today.. Of course that is a very large piece of land void not only of trees but also of any other plant life that would nornally grow back over time in normal circumstances on what is the white part of the domino. I believe that something that would completely restrict plant life, trees or otherwise,was placed on the ground (cinnabar??)to prevent any kind of plant life being able to come back for a long long time. You don’t have to take my word for it that this is a remote place.
This is a place for loggers either modern or ancient. Why would modern day loggers basically ruin the ground to make
such a pattern? These grids can only be seen from relatively high altitude. Were the builders of these domino grids able to fly either by hang gliding or by powered flight? This question is not as ridiculous as you may think. The Nazca
Lines (geoglyphs) in South America can only be seen from the air as well. The Nazca Lines were discovered by the
passengers of a scheduled flight flying overhear. We have much yet to learn about the history of the American Continents.
“Evidence of Buddhism in Pre Columbian North America”
“Did Ancient Chinese Explore America?” by Charlotte Harris Rees If any of you have wondered how a real estate
broker/commercial real estate investor got involved in this topic there is a simple answer. I was brought into this
by my sister Charlotte. She invited me to go with her on two expeditions many years ago to the Baldy Peak/ Livermore Mountain region of West Texas. Our purpose was to climb to the top of Mt Baldy and see if we could find clues that could possibly link Baldy Mountain, Texas to the Chinese Expedition Journal (Shan Hai Jing) written in approximately 2200BC. There were many clues we found which included why the ancient Chinese called this mountain peak Bald Mountain. To this day that peak looks like a Bald Man’s head. All the water ways there flow in the same direction as described in the journal. Another clue (the most significant to me) was to this day the wild animal species that looks like a wild pig and has tusks coming out of or near it’s mouth that thrive at the base of Baldy Mtn. They are not pigs. They are Javelinas. They are an animal not to casually encountered! Not far from that area is an enormous area of sand that today is known as our Sand Dunes National Park. How is it possible that ancient Chinese explorers from 2200 BC China could have known about a huge 84,997 acre area of sand nearby UNLESS they had actually been there and seen it themselves?? “Pale Ink- Henrietta Mertz” Its a short book and available to read for free online. Charlotte has a website “AsiaticFathersofAmerica.com” that I believe would be of as much interest to you as it has been to me.
My sister, Charlotte Harris Rees’ website was incorrectly listed above. It’s correct name is “www.AsiaticFathers.com”
“Examples of Huge Ancient Buddhist/ Hindu Rock Carvings in Asia” These and other similar images exist in numerous places around the globe (including North America) to this day originating from the ancient world. “Persian Manticore Arches National Park” “The Bisti Badlands” “Bent Hoodoo by Ned” “Rainbow Bridge” “Rock Formations in Chad, Africa” on a ancient trade route. “Aloba Arch, Africa” “Largest 19 NATURAL??? Stone Arches in the World” Is it a concidence that these so called natural arches seem to be so seemingly clustered in China and specifically in the Four Corners Region of North America or were they carved over hundreds of years or more to be a long lasting testimony to the originating carvers’ religious beliefs?
Is Church Rock a unique rock formation in all of North America? I believe not. If Church Rock is indeed a former Buddhist Chatra, I believe there is another one just a few miles away. It happens to be on the Same Road and the banks of a major river flowing through the Four Corners region. That’s not random. Google: “Mexican Hat Rock Topo
Zone” and go to the bottom of the opening page. Press the “Comments” bar there. After you’ve pressed the Comments bar wait for about two minutes for the comments to load up and appear. For online images of what I believe
Mexican Hat once was contructed to be Google “Ancient Gandhara Stupa Omages”.
Google: “Fu Sang The Last Wilderness”
Evidence carved into rock lasts a long time. That’s precisely why it was done. Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859) was a “German polymath, geographer, naturalist, explorer ….” among many other things. His name is memorialized on locations all over the western United States landscape because of his travels and early work here. Although his belief about the early arrival of Asians to North America has now been discredited by modern science for reasons I won’t get into here the evidence of his wisdom is apparent in carved rocks in North America and many of the tribal customs of the Four Corners people. “Vajrayana Buddhism in pre Columbian North America”.
Asians as a part of their culture and religion have had a special interest in phallic symbols since ancient times. This is evidenced not only in their temples to this day but also back to ancient times when enormous amounts of time was spent carving these images into stone. Knowing this about the religions in Asia, Humboldt having discovered so much other evidence that persuaded him that ancient Buddhists were here was frustrated that he was personally unable to find evidence of large phallic symbols here in North America that should have been here if ancient Buddhism was here.
Unfortunately he just wasn’t looking in the right places. They are clearly here in Arches National Park as well as
other locations throughout the Pacific Southwest. Modern day technology has made these formations of rock carved
phallic symbols available for all to see around the world. Because these symbols were/are so commonly associated with religions with a Vedic religious base I believe these symbols were the work of ancient Vajrayana Buddhist devotees.
Google: “Penis Rocks in China” and “Penis Rocks Arches National Park”
Tibetan Buddhists were skilled rock carvers. This is well established by what they’ve done in ancient Asia. Their rock carved temples there are an established fact. But it didn’t stop with just temples. They carved symbols that were important to their religious beliefs and culture. One of those symbols were phallic symbols. The abundance of these
huge rock carved phallic symbols are located not just in East Asia but also in Turkey and many other places where ancient Tibetan Buddhism was shared by ancient Buddhist clerics and devotees. If I could clearly show you identical
huge rock carved phallic symbols to those in China and the Far East right here in North America would that not prove that ancient Buddhists were then also here in North America doing those carvings in North America’s ancient past. Here are three sites that I believe prove my thesis.
1) “Phallic Rocks in China” 2) “Phallic Rocks Arches National Park” and 3) “Phallic Rocks Around the World”
In order to get a full view of the above evidence located at the three locations I have listed above you need to “click” on the Images Section. However, for now at least I have saved the best phallic symbol for last. It’s at a fairly remote location. It’s a hike of at least 9 miles there and back. When you see it it’s in almost perfect detail for what precisely
the original artists intended you to see. The ancient artists did not use paint. They used two completely different rock layers to form the two separate parts in separate colors for their ancient art project in almost perfect detail. Google: “Wahweap Hoodoos by Tanya Images/ Summit Post” I believe it’s at the end of the first row of images. There are other similar images there but none in the pristine condition of the one I’m spotlighting for you. Go to the Images Section.
“Vajrayana Buddhism in pre Columbian North America/ Fu Sang”
Archaeological Fantasies ??? Not everyone believes what I’m reporting. I am fortunate that this includes some website owners who may not necessarily share my beliefs but allow we to post on their sites anyway. This site is one of them. Another site is “When the Chinese Didn’t Discover America- Fusang” Access the articles there by clicking on:
“Article from archyfantasies,com” toward the top of the face page.
It’s great to live in a country where we can say (post) what we believe with respect knowing that there are many others
who believe otherwise. Thank You
Is it not reasonable to assume that if the current members/leaders of an ancient religion you are working to describe take your findings and research and publish them in their encylopedia on their relgious beliefs – that you are most likely correct in the conclusions that you have written about on the specific subjects covered? I believe that is a safe assumption.
“Agni- Hindu God of Fire- Tibetan Buddhist Encyclopedia”
Buddhists by their faith and by their culture are not interested in “rocking the boat”. They are not interested in creating
controversy even if it is correcting Common Knowledge. By their teachings their primary goal is to make new converts. I am honored as an acknowledged Christian that these Buddhists have chosen to publish my thoughts and findings in their encyclodepia. I believe this is significant in establishing the credibility of my work on these topics. “Evidence of Buddhism in pre Columbian America” “Buddhist Symbols and Customs in N America” “Were the Anasazi
People Buddhists?” “Vajrayana Buddhism in pre Columbian North America” and “Did the Chinese Discover America- Dr. Michael Heiser”
Apparently I have overstepped the boundaries of scholarly discourse. For that I apologize. Apparently my statements have been too emphatic in stating my conclusions based on what I believe have been clues that support my viewpoint.
Although I believe I am correct based on the numerous sources of evidence I have located and shared here and on other sites the fact is that my conclusions are believed by few people and even fewer scholarls on this topic. The truth is
not always convenient! There are times in history when history has been shaped by the winners to support the culture of the winners. Our culture now (for how long who knows) is currently the dominate one in the world. This didn’t start with the founding of the United States of America. It started when Europe emerged from the “Dark Ages”. The Popes, the Roman Catholic Church as well as the leaders in control of Europe at that time in history suddenly came into possession of maps and much other scholarly works previously unknown to them. This happened at the same time that China was sliding into an approximate 500 year depression known as the time of “China’s Sorrows”.
Prior to that happening the countries in Asia were “the rich countries of the world’. Europe was a “back water” location.
The trade between countries in Asia was tremendous. The scientific knowledge in Asia far exceeded the knowledge of
science in Europe. Chinese Muslims in China were routinely sailing to Mecca in large numbers as a part of worship in their religion and sailing back to China. The trade by ocean between China and Alexandria was considerable. From
Alexandria, Egypt this trade continue on to Rome and Europe. This trade route was known as the “Silk Road”. This
Silk Road connected the Chinese capital Chang-an China to Alexandria, Egypt and all points in between. This
trade required maps that the Europeans did not possess. This “Silk Road Trade” began in approximately 300 BCE until
approximately 300 CE when it ended when Europe sank into it’s “dark ages” and isolation from the rest of the world for
about a 1,000 years.
In the early 15th century CE the Emperor of China closed China to foreign trade and ordered all Chinese to immediately cease dealing with the outside world upon threat of death to all individuals and their entire families. This isolation of China has come to be known as “The Time of China’s Sorrows”. Slowly China’s civilization collapsed and the effects of that decision were catastrophic to say the least. That period of starvation and poverty is what most everyday “westerners” think of the entire history of China. Not so! China has been either the leader of or one of the top leading countries of civilization from the beginning of time. To not know this and not appreciate what that means is to greatly underestimate pre modern Asian civilization and now modern China in particular.
When China isolated itself it ordered Chinese international merchants to cease trade immediately and destroy all their maps and scientific information that did not pertain directly to China alone. One can not underestimate the immediate
effect this had on rich Chinese international merchants and the loss of Chinese intellectual property!
The Rest of This is My Belief and Not Accepted By Western Scholars!!! What happened to those maps and other intellectual property that was ordered destroyed upon pain of death? My belief is that some Chinese merchants sent at least some of these now prohibited maps and technical information to “down line” out of China contacts in India and along that trade route. This was done in the hope that this “isolation” of China would be short lived and that they would soon be able to get this wealth of information back and resume their trade. That was not to be! Eventually those maps sent out of China sooner than later found their way to Europe.
Europeans upon receiving this new information claimed it as their own and originated by them. “Inconvenient Maps at the Library of Congress” That is why suddenly European sailors who up until then had previously declined to sail the open sea for fear of falling off the edge decided to sail to India to participate in the trade to be had there. The common story is that this was the “European Age of Discovery”. That is partly true. It should be called by historians: “How do we get to India as fast as possible to get in on that vast trade income there.” Mankind has not changed. “How do we make money as fast as possible for the least amount of effort.”
However, there was a problem. Because Portugal was the first out of the gate and did not want to compete with Spain, their only serious competitor, they appealed to the Pope who had the authority to then give Portugal the exclusive access around Africa to India. That meant the Spanish had to find the eastern route to get there. At that time it was not commonly known that for that eastern route to work you had to sail around the south of South America to get to India.. The Spaniards upon crossing the Pacific “ran into” North America. Thinking they had reached India they then called Native Americans living there “Indians”. That is unfortunately how Native Americans are known by many people today. Yes, the Spanish occupied the Americas except Brazil which the Pope gave to Portugal after they complained. Today we must never misunderstand what was really happening here. These were NOT voyages
to discover new lands!! These were all initially a RUSH to get to India as fast as possible to get in on the trade there before the rest of Europe did.
It’s my belief they were far better able to do this by charting with maps that drifted into Europe from China. Why else within just a short period of time in human history did so many Europeans suddenly rush to the sea to get to India?
On April 8th last year I made a passing reference to the site: “Ancient Buddha, Tree of Life, Lotus Flower” as a site you should visit if you are interested in this general topic. In retrospect I should not have treated this site as casually as I did because this site provides stunning visual connections with internet information to support my theory of Buddhist travels here and their ancient rock carving activity in North America.
Why would TWO ancient significant Buddhist symbols show up together side by side as apparent geoglyps in ancient Colorado unless Buddhist rock carvers had actuall been here and carved them?
It’s my belief that the large geoglyph on the left represents the Three Jewels of Buddhism and the geoglyph on the right
represents Yamantaka one of the 8 wrathful deities of of Buddhism. For information on the geoglyph on the left :”The
Three Jewels of Buddhism” and/or “Triatna”. For the image on the right: “Yamantaka Images” for the figure in the middle surrounded by flames as it’s commonly shown in Buddhist art.
When you see the evidence of how closely these two images resemble and tie into ancient Buddhist religious art how can you arrive at any other conclusion than that these two geoglyphs were created by ancient Buddhist rock carving devotees?
Here is an explanation of why the two above massive rock carved Buddhist symbols mentioned in the above posting are almost as important to this very day as they were in ancient times.
The Three Jewels of Buddhism represent in descending order: 1) Buddha (himself) 2) The teachings of Buddha
(Buddhism) and lastly 3) The family of Buddhist believers. The Three Jewels of Buddhism
We all know that Buddhists have been largely known as pacificists and not prone to violence. So why you might ask do they have “Wrathful Dieties” and why are the teachings of Buddhism by Buddhist devotees from ancient times known as “The Lion’s Roar”? Not being Buddhist myself I believe I can still reasonably speculate about the answers to these questions. The Lion’s Roar although extremely frightening is also very powerful and heard from a long way away. My personal thought on this is that this expression is not about the frightening aspect of the roar but about the “power” of this message (roar) to be heard from great distances away. The reason for the worship of and belief in the “8 Wrathful Deities of Buddhism” is to warn outsiders and comfort Buddhists themselves that there are forces to be dealt with for those who would or might desire to harm Buddhists devotees themselves.
These aspects of Buddhism have come down from ancient times to today. What about the decision of ancient Buddhists to convey their messages by carving these messages into stone? These monuments conveying these messages have lasted for centuries upon centuries. Whether or not you are personally Buddhist yourself I believe you
have to admit that these (their rock carving efforts) (assuming they are what I believe them to be) have greatly extended the “Range” over both time and enormous geographic space in their efforts to extend “The LIon’s Roar”.
Google: “Mandalas, Mantras, Manjis and Monuments” and “Were the Anasazi People Buddhists?
Google: “Chinese Discover America.com”
“Why is the Yamantaka horn set the horn set of the North American Bison (Buffalo)?”
“Do Native American Medicine Men also use the identical horn set?”
“The Wei Chu-Hsien White Rhino Head – Montana”
Google: “Large Buddha in the Grand Canyon”
One can safely assume that of all the world’s leading experts on Tibetan Buddhism that the Dalai Lama himself would be near or actually at The Top of That List.
Then why would he write an endorsement – forward in the book written by Peter Gold titled “Navajo and Tibetan Sacred
Wisdom: The Circle of the Spirit” unless he was absolutely convinced of the accuracy of the numerous connections between the Navajo culture and Tibetan Buddhism?
Google: In my opinion what is known as “The Mexican Hat on the top of ” Mexican Hat Rock Utah” is in reality the last remaining “chattra” of several more progressively smaller chattras which had been stacked on top of each other when a Buddhist stupa was constructed there many many years ago.
For examples of what this image may have looked like when it was originally built google “Gandhara Stupa Images”.
From ancient times it appears that China had highly advanced mapping technology, Google: “The Fundamental Cartographical Technology of Ancient China – Forward Intersection Mapping” by Zilan Wang.
This technology allows a surveyor to measure the heights of mountains and the distances between places in sight
without having to travel there personally. This information apparently reached the west in modern history.
This short scholarly article is an interesting read.
The above referenced article by Dr. Zilan Wang is available on the Internet. However, at this time it is ONLY Available
on “Yahoo Search”. It’s a 12 page well written article on how advanced ancient Chinese mapping skills had become.
If you do take the time to read it I believe you’ll be glad you did. I believe that the Shan Hai Jing trail reported by Henriette Mertz in her book “Pale Ink” to be down the east side of the Rocky Mountains beginning near Casper, Wyoming and ending at the Rio Grande was surveyed by the ancient Chinese using these techniques. I say this because my sister and I have personally been there to see these locations for ourselves. There were 12 locations along this trail that were specially mentioned in this survey done approximately 4200 years ago by ancient Chinese. ALL THESE LOCATIONS WERE 333 li (Chinese Measurement) which translates almost exactly to 100 miles apart. What is significant about this is from the top of each of the peaks at each of these 12 locations locations you can visually see
the mountain peak before and the mountain peak after along these 12 stops to be analyzed. Dr. Wang stated that the ancient Chinese Forward Intersection surveying technique required line of sight. At six of these 12 stops that the ancient Chinese surveyed they reported finding eithe some gold or exceptionally large gold deposits.
Those six locations were precisely identified by Henriette Mertz. Mertz is no longer alive. During her writings on this topic she NEVER raised the question “Do these six sites connect in any way to the Lost Cities of Gold–El Dorado?”
However, I am raising that question now. Numerous men in the early exploration of western civilization on this continent
have sacrified their lives and their own and their investors fortunes in trying to find the location of these ancient mines.
in North America. Is it possible that the Chinese were the advanced civilization that found those gold deposits and mined them? I believe the facts available today point in that direction. An excellent place to start to confirm or disprove that theory is to find surveyors who will follow the techniques we are told by Dr. Wang the ancient Chinese had developed and survey the trail from the top to bottom of that trail as is described in Volume 4 of the ancient Chinese Shan Hai Jing survey from approximately 4,000 years ago.
Here I need to make perfectly clear that Dr. Zilan Wang has NEVER suggested that the ancient Chinese used these advanced survey techniques anywhere else in the world other than in China.
“Did Ancient Chinese Explore America?” Charlotte Harris Rees Charlotte’s views on this topic are clearly set forth in her book. Charlotte does not agree with all my theories or conclusions. FYI- I have travelled to the three southern mentioned locations while Charlotte has explored all 12 locations for her book.
“Fu Sang-The Last Wilderness” May 2, 2023 Posting Unexplainable massive amounts of gold bullion in First Century- Ancient China? China did not have the gold mines to produce this treasure trove. Where did this huge amount of gold originate and how did it arrive in China? The North Pacific Gyre (The Wei Lu Oceanic Current) has been in place as a “moving clockwise oceanic conveyor belt” since before the arrival of mankind on earth. Western Civilization recently discovered this tremendous current. Wei Lu translated into Chinese means “around the stove”. That is a short phrase which literally means in Chinese the importance of all relatives to return to their family home so they can “circle around the stove to be there with their immediate family on the most important day in the Chinese calendar, the Chinese Lunar New Year”. After years and years the West has finally conceded that yes the North Pacific Gyre does exist and it can automatically by it’s current bring “broken down” Asian vessels to the North American continent.
However, they claim that “the land” that this current can bring you to cannot also bring you back home. Western scholars report that ancient Chinese say that this current is the one that “will take you to the land from where you cannot
return.” How did the ones that claimed this theory know that this current would take you “to the land”? What Land?
Early western sailors were fearful of sailing into the open sea because they thought they “would fall off the edge”.
Common sense tells you that for “every push there’s a shove”. “What comes around goes around.”
If there was a massive current that would push you automatically East, somewhere the water in that current MUST circle
back West to replace the water the water displaced by it’s movement East.
The ancient Chinese were a seafaring culture. They had been sailing the open sea for centuries before the Europeans
suddenly got some information (maps) that led them to believe the open ocean wasn’t as mysterious as they had
previously feared. Incredibly within a very very short period of time almost every European who had a ship decided to
sail to India as quickly as possible to get in on the huge trade market in the Indian Ocean. India was trading as far east
as China. These trade routes dating back to 300 BC were known as the Silk Road. There was an overland Silk Road
and there was an Oceanic Silk Road. If you were alive then and needed to make that trip which one of the two would
you choose? Speaking for myself I would have chosen sailing rather than walking or camelback. That’s why I believe
that the Wise Men of the East sailed to Israel and did not travel by camel as is commonly depicted.
“Were The Wise Men From China? The Revelation of the Magi”
I have found evidence that in 1854 a navigator/ surveyor, a graduate of the Annapolis Naval Academy, in the United States Navy while surveying the North Pacific Gyre for the United States government shortly after the Perry expedition, came across maps which clearly contained latitude and longitude grids that were NOT THE SAME that were used by the U. S. Navy or the Western World. He was truly impressed as to how accurate they were. Undoubtedly, he reported his findings back to his superiors and this went all the way up the U.S. Naval chain of command to the President of the United States. Why has this never been shared with academia and taught to the general public?
This navigator was Lt. Barclay Kennon in 1854. He was the navigator for the expedition. In London on April 3,
1871 as a retired Colonel, Kennon wrote a lengthy letter describing the details of his findings in 1854 to a author friend of his. Today that letter is today posted on the Internet. It has now also been included in a book authored by Henrietta Mertz titled “Pale Ink” or “Gods from the Far East”.
That entire book is on the Internet. However, if you want to get directly to Col. Keenan’s letter: Google:
“Letter from Colonel Barclay Keenon on the Navigation of the North Pacific Ocean
Chapter VII Navigation of the North Pacific”
“It is of some importance in this connection to observe, that when surveying the coast of Japan in 1854, I found the Japanese charts to be invariably very correct; their latitudes, which came directly from observations of the heavenly bodies, being particularly so. Their longitudes, of course, did not agree with ours, for we were ignorant of their starting-
point or primary meridian. The relative bearings and distances of places one from the other, with the outlines of the coast, were singularly accurate.” Col. Barclay Keenon
Hendon Harris
May 19, 2023
“…….he (Lt. Barclay Keenon) having been the navigating-officer in the North Pacific, China Seas and Behring’s Straits, of the United States Surveying Expedition, 1853-1856, Lt. John Rodgers commanding.”
“Was America The Wonderful Land of Fusang?” by Robert Larson American Heritage April 1966 9 Page Article
The last sentence in the article: … “the evidence that it was true is almost overwhelming” Page 9
“Hwui Shan’s voyage from China, five hundred years before Leif Ericson and a thousand before Columbus has been
almost totally ignored by modern American historians ….” Page 1
“The Chinese are thought to be the first people to have developed the arts of boatbuilding and navigation.” Page 2
“There is also another difficult problem in Hwui Shan’s account–his mention of a Land of Women.” Page 6
“For instance, Vining has expertly shown, while performing what is probably one of the neatest tricks in all scholarship,
that the shy chattering, hairy “ladies” of the Land of Women–with their precocious children–who lived 1,000 li beyond
Fusang, were Central American monkeys.” Page 8
“As a matter of fact, the legend of a Land of Women plays a considerable role in American history.” Page 7
I believe you’ll enjoy this article.
“The Ghost Dance-Native American Buddhism”
The accuracy of ancient Chinese Han Dynasty astronomical observations are an essential component to any claims that the ancient Chinese were “masters of ancient navigation on land and sea”. That claim … “has been questioned, principally based on two early studies from the 1950s, which suggested that political motives may have led scholar-officials at court to fabricate astral omens.” Scholar David Pankenier has answered those questions raised by those 1950 writers in his online article: “On the Reliability of Han Dynasty Solar Eclipse Records” If you are among those who believe that the “Wise Men Astronomers” followed “The Star of Bethleham” to Israel you have to know that one (anyone) cannot just “follow a star” by itself. It doesn’t work that way.
Astronomical observations (calculations) are done by using a grid of numerous stars and planets in the sky. By having those other positions and their courses”nailed down” you can then determine in which direction the star you are tracking is moving to then determine how to “follow it” to a presently unknown location. I believe “The Star of Bethleham” ultimately got the Wise Men to Jerusalem where King Herod when told about their “mission” informed them where the “new King” they were looking for would by tradition have been born.
The above is to state that navigation by stars is advanced science. As the Wise Men were “following a star” this required a high level of knowledge.. The Chinese were the only culture in the world at that time that had that level of scientific knowledge, financial resources and the high degree of motivation necessary to make that expedition. I believe this trip by “Chinese astronomers” was of major importance to the Chinese people up to their Emperor because of the ancient Chinese belief in the “The Mandate of Heaven” which dates back to the beginning of the Zhou Dynasty.
Google: “The Mandate of Heaven”
Why were the ancient Chinese in the Han Dynasty and all the way back to the Zhou
Dynasty so extremely interested in and focused
on Stellar Anomalies? It had to do with potential or probable Dynastic Changes that the
Ancient Chinese believe were dictated to them
from Heaven itself. These manifestations from the sky were known in China for hundreds of years as The Mandate of Heaven. These were
extremely important events that caused multiple
Dynastic Changes throughout ancient Chinese history.
In a previous posting I have encouraged interested readers to google: “Wrapped Stupas in Sri Lanka and Utah” for evidence that would support my premise that Church Rock is likely an ancient and abandoned Buddhist Stupa here
in the United States. I have also stated that if this was in fact a stupa that somewhere else in the world that there would
be at least one other stupa that would look like Church Rock and would also then have the same or similar coloring used on it. I have also stated that I believe I have made that connection with the School of Buddhism practiced in Sri Lanka thousands of miles away and across the Pacific Ocean. In Buddhism there are 5 colors used in their religion. Therefore any colors used on any structure purported to be a Buddhist stupa would have to be limited to those
five colors by definition. For amazing video images of this ceremony being observed to this day celebrated by hundreds of Sri Lankan Buddhists devotees at a time google: “Kapruka Pujawa”. Please note the color of the cloth being wrapped around the base of their stupa in Sri Lanka. Is not that the same color at the base of Church Rock to this day?
“The Ching Bird’s Head—The Beak of the 10th
Sun Raven Still Glows!!!”
“The Ching Bird’s Head” Yahoo or Bing Search
“The “Ghost Dance” Native American and Tibetan Buddhist Connections”
“The “Rain Dance” Native American and Tibetan Buddhist Connections”
“Turning to Native “rain dance” in time of drought” Los Angeles Times
“In an attempt to end the drought, Buddhists hosted a dance in the Angeles
National Forest”
The “Fire Dance” Native American and Tibetan Buddhist Connections
“Agni, Hindu God of Fire–Tibetan Buddhist Encyclopedia”
The list goes on and on in front of those of us willing to connect the dots.
“Hendon Harris Disqus” Recommendation: Start by reading the postings written at the bottom of the page 10 years ago.
“Agni-Hindu god of Fire Tibetan Buddhist Encyclopedia”
“The Harris Horse Hendon Harris”
“The Ching Bird’s Head Yahoo or Bing”
“The Akkadian King Hendon Harris”
“The Gavin Menzies Antelope Head”
“The Henrietta Mertz Geoglyph Collection”
“The Badlands Guardian/s #1 & # 2”
“Chinese Discover America.com”
With this much evidence how does anyone deny the existence of pre
Columbian advanced civilization/s here in North America.
“Matriarchs at the Heart of Pueblo Families” by Rachel Moore (Hopi People)
Is it possible or even probable that these Martiarchial Cultures in the Four Corners Area (North American Pacific Southwest) are the same cultures that both the Buddhists arriving in 458 CE and then the Spanish Explorers who then also arrived in the same area in the 16th and 17th Centuries CE with each calling it “The Land of Women”?
It would be most inconvenient for North American cultural anthropology scholars or historians to make that connection because that would then contradict our “baked in historical thesis” that Europeans were ABSOLUTELY the first recorded culture to have made trips across either the Atlantic or the Pacific Oceans to North America. For evidence to support
“the Asian Explorers were the first explorers here” theory-Google– “Pale Ink” or “Gods from the Far East” by Henriette
Mertz. You don’t have to leave your computer screen to read her evidence. It’s free and it’s online. Read pages 25 to 34. That’s only 9 pages. However, I believe reading this will cause you to reevaluate what you have been taught to believe on this topic. It ties in with “Who was it that carved all those geoglyphs (primarily heads) that Can Only Be Seen from High Altitude?”
This year, on March 30th, 2023, Pope Francis by way of a Vatican press release Officially Repudiated the Doctrine of
Discovery. This is HUGE!
This 550+ year old Doctrine of Discovery’s enormous impact on Western Civilization’s sense of national, cultural,
religious and geographical entitlement Must Not Be Underestimated going all the way back to Columbus and the earliest days of European western exploration and colonization.
Google: “What the Repudiation of the Doctrine of Discovery Means for Indian Country.” by Clay S. Jenkinson 04/09/23
“To say that Indigenous peoples have chafed at this legal absurdity—that nations 3,000 or more miles away have a “right” to show up uninvited and claim lands already possessed by sovereign peoples who were never consulted by Pope Alexander VI or anyone else——is a grave understatement.”
“Joint Statement of the Dicasteries for Culture and Education and for Promoting Integral Human Development on the
‘Doctrine of Discovery'”, 30.03.2023
“And the times they are achanging…..”
“Chinese Discover America.com Photos”
“Chaityas of Ajanta Caves” Images of what it looks like inside ancient Buddhist stupas
“Why would an Ancient Legendary Chinese Black Raven with a Glowing Beak be found near Casper, Wyoming?”
The beauty of this carved rock art creation is amazing to see. The Glowing Beak is a key reason this geoglyph ties
back to an Ancient Chinese Legend and was therefore most likely created by Chinese rock carvers an extremely long time ago. I further believe this legend perhaps ties back to ancient Chinese history and the conflict between the Shang and Zhou Dynasties in China which the Zhou dynasty ultimately won. The Chinese book the “I Ching” (The Book of Changes) was written about this period of time. The ultimate destruction of the Shang Dynasty was catastrophic. The loss of human life as the result of that conflict cannot be overstated.
Two elements of ancient life in North America as reported by scholars have always puzzled me. The first surprise to me was why Native American’s although aware of the circle which they used in their religions did not use it for utilitarian
purposes. Why was it that they dragged goods and equipment when wheeling these same things would have been much more easily transported with using the wheel? Rolling or wheeling something is much easier than dragging it. Then there is the issue of the lack of horses in North America before the Europeans arrived. At least that is what current scholars are teaching us today. Native Americans tell us that is not true and that they have had horses for
a long, long time. They can’t both be right. Personnally I’m siding with the Native Americans on this issue.
How do these two major issues perhaps tie together back into ancient North American history?
I have a theory that dates back to the Shang/Zhou Dynasties conflict. Large piles of ancient horse bones have
been discovered in several locations in North America. Why would anyone have killed a huge number of horses and
dumped them into a pit? Certainly not people who used those horses themselves. Let’s give credit to Native
Americans for not wanting to wipe out their source of livihood and transportation and if in doing so would have at least eaten the meat of those horses they were destroying.
Here’s where these two puzzles or questions may merge in ancient North American history. From the I Ching and other
ancient Chinese sources I believe that during the Shang Dynasty some Asian people had migrated to North America
and ultimately set up ten separate and independent City/States which traded back and forth with China. Over many many years these City/States grew as did their trade with China. Over those many years China had trade quotas with
those separate independent trading partners which grew to a number of 10. However, at sometime preceding the Shang/Zhou Dynasty conflict the time honored trade quotas were broken and economic chaos ensued. The I Ching
refers (I believe) to this as the 10 Sun/Ravens who instead of obeying the divine order as they alway had with China instead of one Sun/Raven flying over the Great Sea to China every 10 days until each separate Raven had had their own individual turn they all rebelled and together they all flew across the Great Ocean together creating great econmic
chaos for all parties involved. History has it that the soon to be Zhou Chinese Emperor claimed the Chinese “Mandate of Heaven” to wrest control of China from the current Shang Emperor who had built close relationships with the 10 Nation
Alliance/Trading Partners across the Eastern Sea. The Shang Dynasty Emperor fled to parts unknown possibly North
America with the Zhou armies close behind. The devastation in North America at that time was beyond imagination.
Wars at that time were fought from chariots. Warfare using warriors riding horseback was to evolve later. Here is where
the lack of wheels among Native Americans and the “lack of horses” in ancient North America connect. In order to
make sure this trade conflict/war with these 10 independent states never happened again many devastating consequences may have occurred. Because there is little to no evidence of these ancient cities remaining which may
have been the Lost Cities of God and their gold mines there is little physical evidence of buildings at these places.
When the destruction of the Ten City/States was complete I believe that the Chinese army having had major losses as well and not wanting to ever having to go through that again put some major restrictions on the North American Native populations remaining. I believe that two of those restrictions were 1) The slaughter of ALL North American horses and 2) Forbidding those remaining survivors from using the wheel (circle) for any purpose except for religious reasons. Outlawing these two things would forever prevent the surviving people from ever going to war against China again.
In the ancient Chinese narrative in the I Ching of the 10 Sun/Ravens this story is told in a similar but different form. The
Emperor of China in the 10 Sun/Raven legend told his finest archer to kill all 10 Sun/Ravens who were trying to “Swallow the Sun” which would have caused a permanent eclispe which would have destroyed not only China but the rest of the world. Realizing the economic results of killing All Ten Ravens he rushed a message to his archer to kill nine of the ravens but spare the 10th one. It’s my belief that “The Ching Bird’s Head” geoglyph remaining near today’s Casper, Wyoming is a ancient Chinese tribute to the 10th Sun Raven who although releasing the Sun for the world’s survival still bears the orange scorch marks on its beak from the heat of the Sun it was trying to swallow.
I realize that there is some speculation on my part in this version of this Chinese legend. However, I believe that most
of the pieces of this puzzle I have presented here fit. The document that I believe will prove whether my theory is on target or off base is in the ancient Chinese book, the “I Ching-The Book of Changes”.
“Wrapped” Stupas in Sri Lanka & Utah?”
“Is “The King of Arches National Park” Actually a Persian Manticore Carved by Ancient Buddhists from India?”
Was this “art form” carved by that particular culture we commonly refer to the “Anasazis” of the North American
Pacific Southwest (you know the same land that the Chinese scoffed at as “The Land of Women”? This area is still occupied and controlled as it has been for an extremely long time by the very same precious Matriarchal Tribal Cultures who greatly assisted us in winning World World II with their heroic “Code Talkers” using their ancient native language that our enemies did not know or understand. World history is not difficult to track. However, it’s almost impossible to follow if you aren’t open to the evidence that advanced cultures lived here (North America) in the not so distant past. The Anasazi and the Native Cultures who lived in that area used Solar Technology in building the city known as Chaco Canyon. This isn’t speculation. The ancient native use and obvious knowledge of solar movements has been documented in videos available on the Internet by Robert Redford and numerous others. This knowledge by the Native People of North America Pacific Southwest was and is not “random”. Check it out online for yourselves.
To access the above referenced site: Google: “The King Arches National Park/ Hendon Harris”
I believe that I have already proven the fact that ancient Buddhists were “Masters of Rock Carving” as well as “Balancing
Huge Rock Formations”. It’s my opinion that they had done this for “Shock and Awe” religious reasons knowing that these carved rock formations would remain largely intact for many many hundreds of years as a testimony of the carvers desire to share their religious beliefs to future generations. It’s my belief that Arches National Park is not a geological
anomoly but is instead a religious location made up of rocks carved by Buddhist monks and their converts. Stone arches are sacred Buddhist (Hindu & Jain) religious symbols. These created stone arches are known as Toranas (meaning “an arched gateway or entrance”.
These “gateways” can be found in several locations in different places around the world. However, of the 23 Longest
“Natural” Stone Arches 20 of the absolute largest are to be found in either the North American Pacific Southwest or in
China. The other three are located in the desert in Chad, Africa on an ancient trade crossing Africa, another is located in Afghanistan on another very old trade route where Tibetan Buddhism originated and the final one is located in France. Google: “List of longest natural (Stone) arches”
If you are thinking that I have fallen off the “deep end” of logic I ask you to explain to me why the Puebloan tribal leaders and their people of the Pacific Southwest consider “Rainbow Bridge” one of their most sacred sites. Until just
recently Rainbow Bridge was literally in the middle of nowhere! That was just wonderful for Native Americans because
this most religious site was far removed from “the beaten path” and they could worship there in solitude because nobody but them knew about this their holy place eventhough it was difficult for even them to get to because it was so remote. Unfortunately as the western United States expanded and more and more people moved west the need for
increased water supplies grew. The creation of and expansion of Lake Powell was a plus for most of us but absolutely
not for the Puebloan people. As Lake Powell filled up it brought the water of Lake Powell almost right up to Rainbow
Bridge. By just looking at the pictures of Rainbow Bridge on the Internet you can see how spectacular it is. Now non
Native Americans wanted to visit this site for themselves and they did indeed with most of them coming to see this by
way of tour boats that came right up to the monument. That’s 300,000 of them a year the last time I checked.
This created a major problem for the native people who previously worshiped there in solitude. Something that the Native Americans NEVER DO there was Walk Directly Beneath The Arch Itself! The reason for that was because of their
religious belief that this was sacred ground Only to be used for the placement of Images of Worship such Buddha, etc.
In spite of numerous requests to tourists going there to avoid walking under the arch itself those appeals/requests
were disregarded. In total frustration the Puebloan leaders filed a lawsuit in an attempt to have their simple request
enforced. Unfortunately they lost their case. Really? Are we such inconsiderate people that we can not observe the
ground rules and religious customs of those Native Americans who have been here from ages past? They can live with
people coming to this most sacred spot to them. They just want them to NOT WALK UNDER THE ARCH!
I will stop here in the interest of time and space. However, I have so much more to share with you on how the
spectacular rock formations in Arches National Park and the rest of the North American Pacific Southwest tie back to Tibetan Buddhism. “Agni Hindu God of Fire/ Tibetan Buddhism”
“Satellite Imagery-Chinese Discover America”
“The Ching Bird’s Head-Yahoo Search”
“The Hendon Harris Horse”
“The Henriette Mertz Collection of Geoglyphs”
“The Gavin Menzie Antelope Head”
and many many more
“Satellite Photo Images- ChineseDiscoverAmerica.com”
“Did the Chinese Discover America- Dr. Michael Heiser” Internet Posting 2/28/2013
“Do The Chinese Words ‘Wei Lu’ have a direct connection to the celebration of The Chinese New Year?” Yes.
Does it seem odd to you that the ancient Chinese words ‘Wei Lu’ used centuries ago to describe the North
Pacific Gyre is said now to be the name of the current to the land from which NOBODY RETURNS??
Why would the ancient Chinese mariners name the North Pacific Gyre (the Wei Lu Current) which strongly expresses
the Chinese cultural obligation to ‘Return Home for the highly important celebration of the Chinese New Year” if this current was indeed “the current which took people to The Land From Which Nobody Returns.
That conclusion makes no sense!
Well at least somebody (or many more) are now telling at least half of the truth. They admit apparently that ancient
Chinese could sail to North America in pre Columbian times but that HOWEVER once they arrived there was No Way To Return back to China. How could anybody possibly know there was land on the opposite side of the Pacific Ocean unless somebody returned to China to tell of that land mass on the other side?
Why would the Chinese use the specific name “The Wei Lu Current” which basically is a mother’s call to “get your butt
back home from wherever you are for our biggest annual holiday-The Chinese Lunar New Year. We Want You Back
Home With Us!!”
Wei Lu (as in the Wei Lu Current) is a Chinese phrase that absolutely refers to the Chinese historic tradition of getting
as many family members back home for Chinese New Year as possible.
For those Chinese relatives in ancient and premodern North America the Wei Lu Current (North Pacific Gyre) was the safest and fastest way to return back to China to make their mother’s wish come true.
“The Riddle of the Anasazi”
“Navajo and Tibetan Sacred Wisdom: The Circle of the Spirit, Part 1”
Forward by the Dalai Lama – Peter Gold, Author
“The Wei Chu-Hsien White Rhino Head” In North America
“Rhinoceroses in Ancient China”
“Evidence of Two Horned Rhinos in Han Dynasty China”
Two Horned Rhinos are typically from Africa.
How could they have arrived from Africa into China? – Large Ships
with excellent navigational knowledge.
Grid Mapping and Grid Maps were “A Big Deal” in 2nd & 3rd Century CE China! “Pei Xiu: Advancing Cartography in China” (Also “Zhang Heng 2nd Century) )” After looking at the pattern of grids on page 1 of the article use “Google Maps” and type in Eugene, Oregon. In the area around Eugene is the largest example of Huge Grids I have located in North America. If I were to speculate why ANYONE would do this now or ever it would probably be for two reasons. 1) Harvesting the enormous trees (lumber) in that area and then 2) Territorial Rights. We know today that even before the Common Era began China had had a shortage of wood (lumber) for Chinese living in China for building construction purposes (religious temples, government buildings, homes etc.) as well as for fuel, charcoal, etc. Their country had been largely deforested. Assuming that there was more than one entity harvesting the lumber in that area or any other area in North America at that time there would have been a need to ascertain territorial rights. Among other possible reasons then including possible cultural & religious reasons defining which parcel belonged to who would have been most significant.
Given the easy access to the Pacific Ocean from the area both east and west of Eugene by the numerous rivers that flow from the mountains to the east of Eugene to the Pacific Ocean not far away would have not have been difficult.
On other postings on numerous sites I have previously spotlighted the locations of numerous other locations of ancient
grid mapping in what is now today the United States & Canada. chinesediscoveramerica.com
“China’s Historical Isolation / It’s Cultural and Economic Effects / September 19, 2019 By Christopher David Costanzo”